Hey, Ant. I'm a CO with Ohio DRC. I'm not at all familiar with the Supreme Court decision but agree that it's interesting. Like you, I understand the idea behind the ruling but am not sure I agree with it. I don't see a problem with the male inmates looking at pretty girls in a magazine and don't see a problem with female inmates looking at hunky guys. Maybe I'm a throwback and can't accept change. After all, "we've always done it that way". The SC decison falls under the category of "nice to know info" but doesn't affect what I do at work. I have no input if the state decides to ban or not to ban specific girlie magazines, and if I were to make any comment about it the Major would comment something along the line that I'm thinking above my pay grade, if you knowhutimean. After all, I'm not one of the big wheels... I'm just a mudflap. : ) Hey, Ant. I’m a CO with Ohio DRC. I’m not at all familiar with the Supreme Court decision but agree that it’s interesting. Like you, I understand the idea behind the ruling but am not sure I agree with it. I don’t see a problem with the male inmates looking at pretty girls in a magazine and don’t see a problem with female inmates looking at hunky guys. Maybe I’m a throwback and can’t accept change. After all, “we’ve always done it that way”. The SC decison falls under the category of “nice to know info” but doesn’t affect what I do at work. I have no input if the state decides to ban or not to ban specific girlie magazines, and if I were to make any comment about it the Major would comment something along the line that I’m thinking above my pay grade, if you knowhutimean. After all, I’m not one of the big wheels… I’m just a mudflap. : )

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Illionois Department of Corrections, Lawrence Correctional Center in east central Illinois. 8 1/2 years at it. Some days I love it, some days I hate it. Illionois Department of Corrections, Lawrence Correctional Center in east central Illinois. 8 1/2 years at it. Some days I love it, some days I hate it.

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First of all, I am with Mick. The only way a C/O is going to get blackmailed is if he or she gives an inmate a tool to blackmail with. I wonder, though, if your friend is referring to inmates "spinning" the C/O. That is a daily pitfall that only experience and wisdom can keep in check. I've been a C/O over 8 years, and I still remember inmates spinning me daily for the first year or two. That was made worse by the fact that we were a brand new facility. 90% of us were new hires, without the wisdom, training, and support of experienced C/O's. I still get spun occasionally, but I usually know it when it happens now. At our institution, female C/O's are usually well respected. Yes, there is way too much "reckless eyeballing", but one word out of line to a female gets an inmate a one way ticket to seg for at least 30 days...zero tolerance. While our administration sux, they do get that right. IW First of all, I am with Mick. The only way a C/O is going to get blackmailed is if he or she gives an inmate a tool to blackmail with. I wonder, though, if your friend is referring to inmates “spinning” the C/O. That is a daily pitfall that only experience and wisdom can keep in check. I’ve been a C/O over 8 years, and I still remember inmates spinning me daily for the first year or two. That was made worse by the fact that we were a brand new facility. 90% of us were new hires, without the wisdom, training, and support of experienced C/O’s. I still get spun occasionally, but I usually know it when it happens now. At our institution, female C/O’s are usually well respected. Yes, there is way too much “reckless eyeballing”, but one word out of line to a female gets an inmate a one way ticket to seg for at least 30 days…zero tolerance. While our administration sux, they do get that right. IW

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Illinois has a pretty complicated OT system. Over the past year there was a big push to outlaw mandatory overtime. That fizzled out. Volunteers will get OT before mandates. Mandates start at the bottom of the seniority list and work up until the bottom 2/3 of the roster has been mandated, then it goes back to the bottom. So the top 1/3 of the roster generally doesn't get mandated. The mandates zero out every 30 days, so if there are 10 mandates in 30 days, the next day it goes back to the bottom of the seniority list. IW Illinois has a pretty complicated OT system. Over the past year there was a big push to outlaw mandatory overtime. That fizzled out. Volunteers will get OT before mandates. Mandates start at the bottom of the seniority list and work up until the bottom 2/3 of the roster has been mandated, then it goes back to the bottom. So the top 1/3 of the roster generally doesn’t get mandated. The mandates zero out every 30 days, so if there are 10 mandates in 30 days, the next day it goes back to the bottom of the seniority list. IW

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Hi Mudflap, Thanks for the reply. if you don't mind me asking, what state to you work in? Evidently, the U.S. Supreme Court came down with a ruling (I can't believe they have time for some of this stuff) saying that prisons can constitutionally deny inmates magazines that have nudity because it poses a threat to female correctional officers. The ruling didn't "command" the states to do this but said if they do then it's not a violation of inmates civil rights... I'm not completely sure I agree with the ruling but I can understand the thinking behind it. Anyway, it's just interesting to me. Hi Mudflap, Thanks for the reply. if you don’t mind me asking, what state to you work in? Evidently, the U.S. Supreme Court came down with a ruling (I can’t believe they have time for some of this stuff) saying that prisons can constitutionally deny inmates magazines that have nudity because it poses a threat to female correctional officers. The ruling didn’t “command” the states to do this but said if they do then it’s not a violation of inmates civil rights… I’m not completely sure I agree with the ruling but I can understand the thinking behind it. Anyway, it’s just interesting to me.

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As for municipal jails, long time ago I was with a county sheriff's department and we stripped anyone who was going to be locked up. Didn't strip anyone who didn't go into a cell (some stayed in the booking area pending bond or something along that line). The main reason for strip searching was for safety and security, but we also charted any injury or tats and also noted that there were no visible injuries or tats. We started noting the lack of injury after some of the arrestees got into a fight after they got locked up and then claimed they were injured during arrest and didn't receive medical attention. Now that I think of it, we once made an identification of a guy who died in a motorcycle wreck because of his tattoos. He had no ID on him and the motorcycle wasn't registered, so all we had was a body. Long story short, his tats jiggled some memories and it turned out that he had spent some time as a guest of the county. I work for the state now, and we strip search any inmate after they have contact with the public, before they leave the facility, after they get back, when they go to the hole, and sometimes when they haven't been anywhere but we think they're holding something (but we need approval from a supervisor for that last one.. we can't just stop someone and strip them out). In our reports we use the politically correct term "unclothed search". For the state we still chart tats and injuries as well as the lack thereof, and have used the charts to show they did NOT have a specific tat when they came in, which is obvious evidence of them getting a new tat after their arrival. And we're constantly doing pat downs. As for municipal jails, long time ago I was with a county sheriff’s department and we stripped anyone who was going to be locked up. Didn’t strip anyone who didn’t go into a cell (some stayed in the booking area pending bond or something along that line). The main reason for strip searching was for safety and security, but we also charted any injury or tats and also noted that there were no visible injuries or tats. We started noting the lack of injury after some of the arrestees got into a fight after they got locked up and then claimed they were injured during arrest and didn’t receive medical attention. Now that I think of it, we once made an identification of a guy who died in a motorcycle wreck because of his tattoos. He had no ID on him and the motorcycle wasn’t registered, so all we had was a body. Long story short, his tats jiggled some memories and it turned out that he had spent some time as a guest of the county. I work for the state now, and we strip search any inmate after they have contact with the public, before they leave the facility, after they get back, when they go to the hole, and sometimes when they haven’t been anywhere but we think they’re holding something (but we need approval from a supervisor for that last one.. we can’t just stop someone and strip them out). In our reports we use the politically correct term “unclothed search”. For the state we still chart tats and injuries as well as the lack thereof, and have used the charts to show they did NOT have a specific tat when they came in, which is obvious evidence of them getting a new tat after their arrival. And we’re constantly doing pat downs.

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Hi Ant. Welcome to the forums! I don't work the mail room but my understanding is that we don't allow "insertion". I deliver inmate mail on second shift, and the inmates get several different "girlie mags". Any magazine subscription or renewal has to be pre-approved by unit staff. In the last 12 months we've had two specific issues of two separate magazines that were banned... one had an article on how to make hooch and the other had an article about surviving in the woods. That second one was banned because it explained how to live off the land for a while, which (of course) would be handy information during an escape. Hi Ant. Welcome to the forums! I don’t work the mail room but my understanding is that we don’t allow “insertion”. I deliver inmate mail on second shift, and the inmates get several different “girlie mags”. Any magazine subscription or renewal has to be pre-approved by unit staff. In the last 12 months we’ve had two specific issues of two separate magazines that were banned… one had an article on how to make hooch and the other had an article about surviving in the woods. That second one was banned because it explained how to live off the land for a while, which (of course) would be handy information during an escape.

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Thanks Mick!! I did not look at it like that. And yes I've seen everything myself what goes on in the system and you know what, Inmates get what there hand calls for. 97% of them should be beaten for breakfast lunch and diner. I hated most of everyone there. The "bloods" ,"crips", " Latin kings" and all the rest of the garbage that's in our prison system that should never come out. Yes I am on your side. When it comes to voting you think a "Gang Banger" will even think of registering to vote? NO I don't think so . First thing on there mind is where can i steal some $ so i could buy drugs and resell them. They don't care about our community! They sell crack and heroin to there mothers and sister. VOTE? for them? hahaha they don't even know the definition. Its Ok i get of parole in 5 years and i will get my right back and i will use them. Thanks Mick!! I did not look at it like that. And yes I’ve seen everything myself what goes on in the system and you know what, Inmates get what there hand calls for. 97% of them should be beaten for breakfast lunch and diner. I hated most of everyone there. The “bloods” ,“crips”, " Latin kings" and all the rest of the garbage that’s in our prison system that should never come out. Yes I am on your side. When it comes to voting you think a “Gang Banger” will even think of registering to vote? NO I don’t think so . First thing on there mind is where can i steal some $ so i could buy drugs and resell them. They don’t care about our community! They sell crack and heroin to there mothers and sister. VOTE? for them? hahaha they don’t even know the definition. Its Ok i get of parole in 5 years and i will get my right back and i will use them.

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As you say you have gotten yourself sorted out and good for you. But as we both know most of the people that you lived with in prison are career criminals. They live by the rules of the jungle. Predator and Prey. Fear those more powerful and prey on those weaker. And this is why Officers treat inmates the way they do. It's a matter of control. We are normally out numbered between 7 and 10 to one. So it necessary so assert control and discipline in ways that one not use in normal society. You have seen inmate culture for yourself so you cannot deny it. As you say you have gotten yourself sorted out and good for you. But as we both know most of the people that you lived with in prison are career criminals. They live by the rules of the jungle. Predator and Prey. Fear those more powerful and prey on those weaker. And this is why Officers treat inmates the way they do. It’s a matter of control. We are normally out numbered between 7 and 10 to one. So it necessary so assert control and discipline in ways that one not use in normal society. You have seen inmate culture for yourself so you cannot deny it.

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xfelonjoe, The formatting here has gone to crap. Would you repost please? I missed almost half of the last paragraph. As for being the only ex-felon here, that is ok. Your voice needs to be heard. But be forewarned, you are not likely to get a lot of sympathy here. From what I have read so far, you have made some significant changes. My hat is off to you. As for what sent you to prison, was it the act of getting high or the act of denying the owner of an item (in this case a bicycle, other instances it is money ie Madoff) its future use and all future benefits that come from possession of that item? Getting high may have led to taking the bike, but it was the second that got you to prison. It is the taking of what is not yours and denying the owner both its current use and future use with all the benefits that stream from that future use that got you there. As for CO's and their behavior, I could not read that paragraph because of the formatting issue (could be my machine, but all other web sites I visit do not have that issue which leads me to suspect it is this site). And my apologies to suetigger for getting her moniker jacked. xfelonjoe, The formatting here has gone to crap. Would you repost please? I missed almost half of the last paragraph. As for being the only ex-felon here, that is ok. Your voice needs to be heard. But be forewarned, you are not likely to get a lot of sympathy here. From what I have read so far, you have made some significant changes. My hat is off to you. As for what sent you to prison, was it the act of getting high or the act of denying the owner of an item (in this case a bicycle, other instances it is money ie Madoff) its future use and all future benefits that come from possession of that item? Getting high may have led to taking the bike, but it was the second that got you to prison. It is the taking of what is not yours and denying the owner both its current use and future use with all the benefits that stream from that future use that got you there. As for CO’s and their behavior, I could not read that paragraph because of the formatting issue (could be my machine, but all other web sites I visit do not have that issue which leads me to suspect it is this site). And my apologies to suetigger for getting her moniker jacked.

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It seems every state is a little different when it comes to inmates having adult material... some states allow nude pictures and some states don't allow magazines like FHM or Maxim. I would just like some thoughts on the subject and i would like to know what the policy is in your specific prisons... It seems every state is a little different when it comes to inmates having adult material… some states allow nude pictures and some states don’t allow magazines like FHM or Maxim. I would just like some thoughts on the subject and i would like to know what the policy is in your specific prisons…

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Ok Its me again! Hello and good afternoon. I guess I am the only ex-convivt in this room. You Know what its ok today.heres a little story on me.----------------- I was not born a criminal!! My parents are from good Jewish families. They raised me right, gave me everything a kid ever wanted. But no in high school I had to be cool and try DRUGS with the girls. I liked it and from then on I was a waste. At the age of 20 I was shooting heroin and at the age of 23 i was a crack head. My father tried everything from out-patient to in-patient programs! NOTHING HELPED!!!! You know what helped 4 years behind the BIG WALL with the BIG BOYS. Like I said before I WILL NOT RETURN BACK TO THAT LIFE STYLE. I Love my freedom. I love my wife. I'm trying to have kids. My parole officer is good with me. I have money And I DON'T DRINK OR DO DRUGS!!!!! I went to prison from stupidity!! I got charged with Burglary2 in New York State. What did i do? i was in a basment of a big building and stole a bike so i could sell it and get high. Was i right ? NO i know that but why get treated like a bad criminal? I did not kill no one i did not shoot no one and i did not Rape no one . But hay if not prison i would still be a junkie today most probabley if i was still alive. just had to throw all that in.. Why did i speak bad on the CO's.??? ok why whould a CO say "hay FAGOT i'm speaking to you" of when its count time and your sleeping you dont have to kick the bed and yell at the top of your lungs to scare a person. its just these things they do and get away with everyday. Now i meet some Good CO's. I was a porter in my housing unit and our steady'd were great. so not all the CO's but a lot of them are like that. Ok Its me again! Hello and good afternoon. I guess I am the only ex-convivt in this room. You Know what its ok today.heres a little story on me.————————- I was not born a criminal!! My parents are from good Jewish families. They raised me right, gave me everything a kid ever wanted. But no in high school I had to be cool and try DRUGS with the girls. I liked it and from then on I was a waste. At the age of 20 I was shooting heroin and at the age of 23 i was a crack head. My father tried everything from out-patient to in-patient programs! NOTHING HELPED!!!! You know what helped 4 years behind the BIG WALL with the BIG BOYS. Like I said before I WILL NOT RETURN BACK TO THAT LIFE STYLE. I Love my freedom. I love my wife. I’m trying to have kids. My parole officer is good with me. I have money And I DON’T DRINK OR DO DRUGS!!!!! I went to prison from stupidity!! I got charged with Burglary2 in New York State. What did i do? i was in a basment of a big building and stole a bike so i could sell it and get high. Was i right ? NO i know that but why get treated like a bad criminal? I did not kill no one i did not shoot no one and i did not Rape no one . But hay if not prison i would still be a junkie today most probabley if i was still alive. just had to throw all that in.. Why did i speak bad on the CO’s.??? ok why whould a CO say “hay FAGOT i’m speaking to you” of when its count time and your sleeping you dont have to kick the bed and yell at the top of your lungs to scare a person. its just these things they do and get away with everyday. Now i meet some Good CO’s. I was a porter in my housing unit and our steady’d were great. so not all the CO’s but a lot of them are like that.

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That sex offender thing should be in a separate post. There's a lot going on there. I've been typing and deleting and restarting this post for over a half hour trying to make an intelligent response, and when I read what I've written it looks like a long-winded rant against sex offenders and doesn't get across what I'm trying to say. I don't have much faith in the "experts" or the "treatment scholars". They run our prisons today and they are the ones who are in charge of the treatments we have in place right now. But if the current recidivism rates are so low, doesn't that indicate that the current treatments are effective? I can easily accept that not ALL sex offenders will re-offend, especially if I consider that some get the label of "sex offender" and don't really deserve it (such as the young man who at 17 had a 15-year-old girlfriend). So if the myths are nothing more than myths, Shakey would be incorrect in thinking it's a danger to send our kids outside to play. The post by suetiggers clearly states it isn't likely that our kids would be in danger. On the other hand, if I had a dog that bit someone and the vet said it would be unlikely for that dog to bite again, I'd still watch that dog closely. With that thought in mind, if I had a neighbor that messed with a child I'd keep a close eye on that neighbor. Since he's now a neighbor, that would move him away from the potential 7% of people who molest kids they don't know and into the potential 93% of people who molest kids they do know. Looks like it's a Catch-22... damned if you do and damned if you don't. That sex offender thing should be in a separate post. There’s a lot going on there. I’ve been typing and deleting and restarting this post for over a half hour trying to make an intelligent response, and when I read what I’ve written it looks like a long-winded rant against sex offenders and doesn’t get across what I’m trying to say. I don’t have much faith in the “experts” or the “treatment scholars”. They run our prisons today and they are the ones who are in charge of the treatments we have in place right now. But if the current recidivism rates are so low, doesn’t that indicate that the current treatments are effective? I can easily accept that not ALL sex offenders will re-offend, especially if I consider that some get the label of “sex offender” and don’t really deserve it (such as the young man who at 17 had a 15-year-old girlfriend). So if the myths are nothing more than myths, Shakey would be incorrect in thinking it’s a danger to send our kids outside to play. The post by suetiggers clearly states it isn’t likely that our kids would be in danger. On the other hand, if I had a dog that bit someone and the vet said it would be unlikely for that dog to bite again, I’d still watch that dog closely. With that thought in mind, if I had a neighbor that messed with a child I’d keep a close eye on that neighbor. Since he’s now a neighbor, that would move him away from the potential 7% of people who molest kids they don’t know and into the potential 93% of people who molest kids they do know. Looks like it’s a Catch-22… damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

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Also, the following post is "as I understand it". I do not claim to be an expert, but I believe Federal labor laws REQUIRE at least 20 minutes of break if a person is going to work 7 hours or more, and the break has to be in the first 5 hours of work. In other words, if you are assigned to 3pm to 11 pm shift, your employer is mandated to provide at least 20 minutes for you to take a break at or before 8pm. Check with your financial advisor before investing in gold. Not available in all states. May cause drowsiness. Use caution when operating heavy machinery. Wil not prevent STD's. IW Also, the following post is “as I understand it”. I do not claim to be an expert, but I believe Federal labor laws REQUIRE at least 20 minutes of break if a person is going to work 7 hours or more, and the break has to be in the first 5 hours of work. In other words, if you are assigned to 3pm to 11 pm shift, your employer is mandated to provide at least 20 minutes for you to take a break at or before 8pm. Check with your financial advisor before investing in gold. Not available in all states. May cause drowsiness. Use caution when operating heavy machinery. Wil not prevent STD’s. IW

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I will speak for C/O's in Illinois. We are union (for what it's worth these days) and we are contractually assured of 30 minutes UNPAID lunch. We are paid for 37 1/2 hours a week (8 hours a day minus 30 minutes lunch). If we don't get our lunch break through no fault of our own, we receive time and a half for the 30 minutes. That generally only happens when transporting writs, or in the event of a real uh-oh. Reading the other posts, that seems like a pretty decent policy... I will speak for C/O’s in Illinois. We are union (for what it’s worth these days) and we are contractually assured of 30 minutes UNPAID lunch. We are paid for 37 1/2 hours a week (8 hours a day minus 30 minutes lunch). If we don’t get our lunch break through no fault of our own, we receive time and a half for the 30 minutes. That generally only happens when transporting writs, or in the event of a real uh-oh. Reading the other posts, that seems like a pretty decent policy…

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2009-11-18T08:01:39-05:00

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Yes to the question posed: being allowed to vote after release (the debt is paid); Yes, that is a ton of information to digest...I think that what tiggersue is saying is that so much of what we assume about people is based in something other than truth or reality (the two are not necessarily the same) that to broadly paint a whole classs of people as being incapable of preforming a basic civil function says more about us than about the group itself. And yes to esfellonjoe: you have got some issues to deal with starting with who is responsible for what. Tiggersue's critique is also applicable to you, Joe. Yes to the question posed: being allowed to vote after release (the debt is paid); Yes, that is a ton of information to digest…I think that what tiggersue is saying is that so much of what we assume about people is based in something other than truth or reality (the two are not necessarily the same) that to broadly paint a whole classs of people as being incapable of preforming a basic civil function says more about us than about the group itself. And yes to esfellonjoe: you have got some issues to deal with starting with who is responsible for what. Tiggersue’s critique is also applicable to you, Joe.

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We have a hiring freeze at all government agencies except those deemed essential: State Police, the Judiciary, and Corrections. Education has been cut as have all the other agencies. As spending by consumers continues to decline, revenues are continuing to fall and more services are on the chopping block. We are having to cut another 2.5% on top of the 12% we have already cut...and there is probably even more to be cut before it is all over. We have a hiring freeze at all government agencies except those deemed essential: State Police, the Judiciary, and Corrections. Education has been cut as have all the other agencies. As spending by consumers continues to decline, revenues are continuing to fall and more services are on the chopping block. We are having to cut another 2.5% on top of the 12% we have already cut…and there is probably even more to be cut before it is all over.

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Yes. In Colorado, the Department allows hospitals come to facilities to gather blood from staff members. I have given in the past and will do so in the future. Yes. In Colorado, the Department allows hospitals come to facilities to gather blood from staff members. I have given in the past and will do so in the future.

2009-11-18T06:44:10-05:00

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Yes. Yes.

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I am in Canon City, Colorado. Been in corrections for over 11 years. Worked in the Ad Seg facility, External Security (Perimeter Patrol or how to make circles in the dirt and get paid for it), and currently work at a medium custody facility.... I am in Canon City, Colorado. Been in corrections for over 11 years. Worked in the Ad Seg facility, External Security (Perimeter Patrol or how to make circles in the dirt and get paid for it), and currently work at a medium custody facility….

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Welcome IW. Welcome IW.

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I am employed by the Illinois Department of Corrections. When I came across this site I figured it was going to be grossly tainted by hug-a-thugs or green tea drinking conservatives. I viewed this thread and knew immediately that I was truly among like minds. I feel welcome already, and I haven't even been welcomed....It is completely putrid how inmates use religion to spin C/O's, chaplain volunteers, heck even their families. Just yesterday I received a grievance form an inmate that was a lie from beginning to end. On the back of his I.D.....Christian. I am a Christian, but I do not let inmates know. I will not be used like that. Sign me up in the CCJ... IW I am employed by the Illinois Department of Corrections. When I came across this site I figured it was going to be grossly tainted by hug-a-thugs or green tea drinking conservatives. I viewed this thread and knew immediately that I was truly among like minds. I feel welcome already, and I haven’t even been welcomed….It is completely putrid how inmates use religion to spin C/O’s, chaplain volunteers, heck even their families. Just yesterday I received a grievance form an inmate that was a lie from beginning to end. On the back of his I.D…..Christian. I am a Christian, but I do not let inmates know. I will not be used like that. Sign me up in the CCJ… IW

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