Topic: Security Central / Inmates barricading cell doors, Ideas to combat this Read for example of cell door

Sounds like a bad design on the doors. The fact the the inmates are now aware of how to jam the door so easily means that a major re-think of that design. And that I assume is way above your pay grade. The only way to prevent this is to deny the inmates any books thick enough to bar the door.

Topic: Letter of The Law / No lunch breaks?

Oh look Looney Toones is back.

Topic: Letter of The Law / No lunch breaks?

Hmmmmm!!!!!!!! Like I said in deep need of Psychological help.

Topic: Letter of The Law / No lunch breaks?

Firstly I would like to ask you a couple of Questions. Did you or have you ever made a formal complaint to the Police about your alleged abuse? And if you have what was the outcome?
And after reading your rambling statement my I suggest you seek some psychiatric assistance because you seem to be a very troubled person.

Topic: Security Central / Gang information database???

Treh. I would suggest getting your Management to get in touch with Cincinnati P.D. and ask them to send any relevant info from their Gang and Narcotic Units. I know from experience here that our colleagues in the Police are more than willing to trade info. Because remember we can be privy to some great intelligence that the Police would find near impossible to obtain. Our Intelligence Unit has weekly meetings with the Police where we swap intel. And both of us have found this arrangement extremely beneficial.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Jon the reason I brought up Tobacco was to show that criminal elements are involved in the supply and sale of a Legal drug. Let me give you some statistics. 200 Million illegal cigarettes were seized by the Police and Customs in Ireland last year. Now the authorities estimate that they catch about 5% of all the Illegal cigarettes smuggled. Personally I believe this figure to be optimistic. But even if it’s accurate that’s one hell of a lot of tobacco that is sold on the black market. And the biggest importers of illegal tobacco into Ireland are paramilitary gangs. The profits from selling this legal drug on the black market are huge. The price of 20 cigarettes sold legally is 9 Euro ($13) The price of a black market pack is 4 Euro ($6). You do the math. The people who buy this black market tobacco do not see themselves as aiding and abetting criminals nor would they view their own actions as criminal because tobacco is legal. Yet by buying these products they are doing both. All they see is they can buy 2 packs of the black market tobacco for the same price of a 1 legal pack. And in the financial straits people find themselves in today, do you think that buying a legalized drug would be any different. And remember there is no quality control on the black market products.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Jon the core of your argument is that Legalization remove the criminal element from the equation. I am afraid that this is a misguided idea. Many legal prescription drugs are sold on the black market by criminals. Prime examples are Oxycodone (Oxycontin),Flurazepam (Dalmane),Diazepam (Valium),Lorazepam (Ativan) and the list goes on. Just because one can get these substances legally doesn’t mean that the criminal element is cut out of the loop. Even the most common of all drugs Tobacco has criminal gangs involved in smuggling it and selling it below market value (No tax). And as for Legalization of Prostitution bringing it main stream. Yes in some cases this would work out. Where the women are willing to work within the law and pay their taxes etc. There again you got a problem. Trafficked women are usually under threat of violence to either themselves and or their families back home. So to say that they would not lie to the authorities about them being happy to work in this or that establishment out of fear would naive.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Jon as you said these Laws can be changed by a stroke of a pen. But as we both know the public at present are not in favour of changing these laws. The simple question is this, Do the majority of the People want Legalized Drugs and Prostitution? Answer = No. So therefore the whole point of this discussion is moot. As Rational Law was told from the beginning this is the wrong forum to post in. If he wanted to express his views he should have picked a political forum.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Jon I am not disagreeing with you that some hard core drugs are prescribed the prime example Morphine. But the key word is PRESCRIBED. And is done so by a qualified and licensed medical Doctor. But as I have said early in this discussion and will repeat here again for you is We in Law Enforcement do not make the Law. We Enforce it. Politicians make the Laws and the Judiciary interpret them. It is not our job to pick and choose which Laws we are going to enforce because we like this law and don’t like that one.
Now lets go back to the Original post in this discussion. Victimless Crimes!!. This is just one quote from said post “Victimless crimes such as prostitution”. He might want to tell the millions of women around the world that are trafficked into prostitution each year that they are not victims. Even in countries where prostitution is tolerated criminal elements control large sections of the sex industry. And as for the Victimless Crimes statement what utter nonsense. How many white collar criminals have declared in their defence that their crimes were “Victimless”. Do we ignore these crimes too? Where do we draw the line?

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Jon you say that locking someone up for just using a drug is wrong if I understand you correctly. Those self same people chose and I repeat chose to knowingly break the law. They may not like or agree with said law. But the law is there. And they are being punished for choosing of their own free will to ignore the law of the land. And until such time the law is amended or repealed they will continue to be locked up. I have absolutely no sympathy for any drug user. They made that choice to use. As the old saying goes “They made their bed now they may lay in it”.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

You say the right to free speech etc. is inviolate. Because it is written into the Constitution. Have you ever heard of a Constitutional Amendment. Or a Referendum. There is no Law Local,State,Federal or Constitutional that cannot be changed.
So don’t fool yourself about that. Are you telling me that if the vast majority of a countries citizens wanted a Law changed that every politician in that country wouldn’t fall into line quick smart! As I said before why don’t you and those of your mind set, stand for election and see just how much popular support you actually have. Or do you actually know just how little support you really have and as such would rather not have it widely known.
Now lets have a look at your other point People have the right to damage themselves. Ah I don’t think so. If a person was pointing a gun at their own head don’t you think it’s the duty of every LEO or any right thinking person to try and stop them harming themselves. Are you saying that someone high on Meth is not a danger to themselves or anyone within range. That someone addicted to Crack would not lie,cheat and steal from everyone around them?

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Rational Firstly I am not in America to get out of it. Secondly I never once mentioned Beer drinking you did. Thirdly I have know idea who Rush Limbaugh is so I would be unlikely to have my Head up his ass as you so eloquently put it. And fourthly I never said that drug users were worse than paedophiles. What I did say is you are using the same lame excuses that I and many of my colleagues on here have heard before and used paedophiles as prime example. And If you were really in Law Enforcement you would have heard those selfsame excuses yourself. And as for going on TV I don’t need to. I am not trying to change anything you are. I support, uphold and enforce the Drug Laws. You refer to us a “Neo Fascists”. But it is you that wants to ignore the Democratic Will of the People that supports the present Drug Laws. It is you that wants to enforce your own views on the majority of society. Who is the Fascist? If you truly believe in in the rubbish you are spewing why don’t you run for public office. Place your faith in what you believe in the hands of those you want to crusade for! Joe Public.

Topic: The Club House / Where in the world are you

Welcome qdog0569. As you may have noticed that this is an occasional site. We come in make a comment/reply and may not visit again for a few days so don’t expect live online debate.;-)

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

“Responsible Drug Users” Are you serious? Don’t make me laugh.
The simple question about Prohibition is this. Do the Vast Majority of people want the Growing,Manufacturing,Sale,Supply and or use be de-criminalized? Answer NO. So What do you say. Ignore the Will of the Majority because it doesn’t fit your beliefs. Not going to happen so as I have already said Build a bridge and get over it

Topic: The Club House / Hi

Welcome to the Site

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Rational the sum of your argument is that the present drug laws are evil, immoral and bad for society. I and many of my colleagues will agree with me on this is that your argument sounds very like the arguments I have heard from convicted paedophiles. They all so believe that laws that convicted them are evil,immoral and bad for society and that they were persecuted by an over bearing Government. My question is do we scrap child protection laws because a small minority of people feel hard done by? The same applies to the Drug Laws. The Law is there to protect society. Each and everyone of will feel hard done by one law or another at some time but 99.99% of us will suck it up and accept it as a necessary inconvenience for the good of society.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

So what would you suggest as an alternative to the Democratic system that is in use at the moment? Anarchy? Monarchy? Dictatorship? No one will tell you the system is perfect but it’s the fairest form of government around.
And as for the prohibition on alcohol. Yes it was an amendment to get it passed but what you forgot or chose to ignore it was also repealed by those selfsame politicians responding to the democratic will of the people.
So until the majority of the people look to have the law changed in regards of illegal narcotic substances we as LEO’s will continue to enforce the will of the people. So build a bridge and get over it.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

First Off If you don’t want to Enforce “Unjust Laws” then either leave the Job or don’t join in the first place. As I said you have a vote. Stop crying about “Corrupt Politicians”. They were elected by the People in a free and fair election. You may not like their polices or even them personally but the people have spoken so live with it.

Topic: A Broader View / Prohibition and Victimless "Crimes" breed hate towards cops, against the fundamental principles of Civil Liberties and should be Abolished

Rational Law, You have your opinion and I have mine so I won’t get into a political debate over the rights and wrongs of Drugs.
But the fact remains that we as Law Enforcement Officers join the Job with the full knowledge that we are employed to Enforce the Law.
Politicians are elected by you and me to make the Law. So would your comments not be better aimed at your elected representatives who have the power to change and/or amend the laws to what you feel would be a more suitable alternative.

Topic: Letter of The Law / Mandated overtime?

Illinois, welcome to the real world of public service. Where the “Powers That Be” will bend, manipulate and change the rules and laws to suit the situation that they find themselves in. Because never forget to them you are just a pay number.

Topic: The Club House / Greetings

Welcome to the site

Topic: A Broader View / Reducing Costs and Increasing Revenues

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Topic: A Broader View / Prison & Slavery - A Surprising Comparison

So to sum up what you are saying is that you support the policy of making prisoners work. Therefore you should fully support the use of Chain Gangs on public works eg: road side clearance. And I fully support the Idea of Public Flogging as a deterrent for the lesser felonies. As used to great effect in civilised countries like Singapore.

Topic: The Club House / Greetings

Hi and Welcome Heat Bag

Topic: Security Central / death row

You may have a Trojan. I would run my anti virus.